Used Schirmacher Hs 25.000 for sale (3,278)

Year of construction: 2025, condition: new, functionality: fully functional, High frequency generator Schirmacher HS25000 The HF generator is used to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field, which in a connected HF production device can be used to - Heat and weld thermoplastic plastics, - Dry paper products, textiles, wood and similar materials, - Heat plastic granulates, rubber and other materials. Technical data Operating frequency: 27,12 MHz Output power: 25 kW Power supply: 3 x 400V, 50Hz, Rated power 46 kVA Control: Generator: SPS Siemens S7 / Control electronics: SE68 Triode: RS3026 CL, alternatively ITL 12-1 Anode voltage: Full load 9,1kV, no load 10,4 kV Anode current: Full load 3.800 mA, no load 800 mA dimensions (WxDxH): 1.200 x 1.200 x 2.000mm Commerical infromation Condition: new machine, from delivery stock – zero operating hours Manufacturer: Heinz Schirmacher GmbH, Trittau Availability: Available from stock, more than one unit in inventory Warranty: Available upon request Bsdpfxsx U Trpj Akxelg Machine highlights Fast commissioning through modular design – flexible integration into various production processes and adaptation to different tools. Highly precise control – exact power delivery and consistently high welding quality. Highly dynamic HF regulation prevents extremely rapid flashovers in the welding process. Electrode protection – integrated into the generator to safeguard both machine and tool. Automation-ready – suitable for use in automated manufacturing processes with the capability to integrate into existing systems. Visits possible by arrangement.

Condition: excellent (used), Catalogue number: 7649 TECHNICAL DATA Infeed width: 900 mm Infeed height: 300 mm Shaft width: 1030 mm Shaft diameter: 700 mm Knife length: 1030 mm Number of knives: 3 pcs Screen dimensions: 70x70 mm Below: 2 toothed feed shafts Lower shaft motor: 7.5 kW Above: 2 toothed feed shafts Upper shaft motor: 7.5 kW Belt conveyor feeder Redler chain conveyor 5600 mm + 10600 mm, 2.2 kW Feeder belt width: 800 mm Main motor: 90 kW Reverse function Overall machine dimensions (L/W/H): 3300x3100x1700 mm Base for chipper dimensions: 3300x2080x1940 mm Feeder / Redler dimensions (L/W/H): 5600x900x1000 mm + 10600x1050x1600 mm Base for feeder belt dimensions: 5100x1300x2520 mm Total weight approx.: 16,000 kg ADVANTAGES – German-made – Redler-type chain conveyor equipped with scrapers – Reverse function – DTR technical documentation Blodpfx Aksx S Nawoxjg – Used chipper, in very good condition Net price: 258,900 PLN Net price: 61,640 EUR (according to exchange rate 4.2 EUR) (Prices may change with significant exchange rate fluctuations)

Condition: used, For inquiries regarding the attachment, Mr. Herden will be happy to assist you (reach him by phone at ...). HS Schoch Brush Rake / Root Rake / MS08 / 1,800 mm / HARDOX / In Stock & Immediately Available / NEW Price: €2,690.00 net / €3,201.10 gross - Cutting width (mm): 1,800 - Own weight (kg): 350 kg - Carrier vehicle operating weight (t): 6 - 10 Blsdpeyhyngefx Akxog MS08 coupler included. The brush rake is manufactured entirely from HARDOX. We have a large selection of various brush and root rakes in stock, available for immediate delivery! Mr. Herden (phone ...) will be happy to assist you. Upon request, we can also offer attractive financing options. We are official sales and service partner for the following brands: - Westtech - Magni Telehandlers - Gierking GMT - OilQuick - Weber MT - Holp - DMS - Seppi M. - JCB Construction Machinery - Mercedes-Benz - Iveco With 800 used vehicles in stock, we are also one of the largest commercial vehicle dealers in Germany. We supply the complete HS Schoch product range for you! Errors and prior sale excepted! = Further information = New: Yes Intended use: Construction Unladen weight: 350 kg Please contact Marius Herden for more information.

Condition: excellent (used), Tool holder from the renowned brand WNT, precision-made, G2.5 balancing up to 25,000 rpm – designed for HSC/HPC machining. Clamping diameter Ø5 mm, length 80 mm. Includes a VHM (solid carbide) end mill. Very good condition. Blodpfxew Rrutj Akxjg

Condition: excellent (used), Disc valve, butterfly valve, ball valve, butterfly valve, shut-off valve, gate valve -without: drive -Connection: DN80 Bjdpfx Akjb A Ru Tjxslg -Width: 190 mm -Nominal pressure: PN10 -Weight: 18 kg

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2009, functionality: fully functional, number of straightening rollers: 7, coil weight: 4,000 kg, coil outer diameter: 1,500 mm, number of feed rollers: 2, straightening roller diameter: 80 mm, coil width: 600 mm, 1. Decoiler Type: MS 4000 Coil weight: max. 4.000 kg Strip width: max. 600 mm Outer diameter: max. 1.500 mm Inner diameter: 475 – 535 mm Execution: • Hydraulic expansion • Hydraulic pressure arm from top with hydraulic driven roll Rolle • Lateral swivel in roll on front side, disc at back side and additional 3 pc. single arms for coil keeping • Mandrel driven by electric motor, control by light sensor • Decoiler moveable for loading by hydraulic • Coil loading table 2. Straightening maschine Type: MR 58 Strip width: max. 600mm Stock thickness: 0,8 – 3,6 mm at rigidity 400 N/mm2 Straightening rolls: 7 pc., supported Pulling rolls: 2 pc. Diameter of rolls: 80 mm Speed: 5 – 30 m/min Execution: • Hardened and ground rollers • Pneumatically lifted feed roller Bljdpfx Akjq A Tw Rjxog • Straightening rollers adjustable as a block • Lateral strip guiding at infeed, manually adjustable via hand crank • Hydraulic strip insertion aid (support table, extendable tongue and pressure roller from above) • Straightening head can be opened (alligator mouth) • Ultrasonic sensor for loop control • Swivel control panel • Siemens S7-200 control system

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2015, Complete robot welding cell with rotating table and enclosure Bsdpfonr E Enox Akxslg Robot: KUKA KR 150 R2700 extra Load capacity: 150kg reach: 2.090mm with welding gun (Dalex, new in 2018) with cooling device (water cooling in circuit) complete second welding gun (make ARO) included own cooling unit built in the machine automatic rotary table with 10-fold division (at present for running product only 5-fold built up) Workplace for parts insertion or disposal well illuminated and protected by light barriers Control of the complete line by means of Siemens SPS, provided by company HS Automation Siemens control panel for system operation at the insertion station mounted on a swivel arm All together in an enclosure with safety door. Plant can still be visited in operation.

Condition: excellent (used), WNT tool holder SK40 Ø8x80, HSC version with G2.5 balancing up to 25,000 rpm. Professional solution for HPC/HSC machining on CNC centers. Complete with a solid carbide end mill VHM (fine-pitch, multi-flute) – ready-to-use set. Very good condition, premium class equipment. Bljdpfxew Rrv Rj Akxsg

Condition: used, For inquiries regarding the attachment, Mr. Herden will be happy to assist you (by phone at ...). HS Schoch Brush Rake / Root Rake / MS03 / 1,400 mm / HARDOX / in stock & immediately available / NEW Price: €2,090.00 net / €2,487.10 gross - Cutting width (mm): 1,400 - Own weight (kg): 180 kg - Carrier vehicle service weight (t): 3 - 6 Including MS03 mount. The brush rake is manufactured entirely from HARDOX. We have a very large selection of different brush & root rakes in stock for immediate delivery! Mr. Herden (phone ...) will be happy to assist you. Upon request, we are also happy to provide you with a financing offer. We are an official Westtech sales and service partner. We are an official Magni telehandler sales and service partner. We are an official Gierking GMT sales and service partner. We are an official OilQuick sales and service partner. We are an official Weber MT sales and service partner. We are an official Holp sales and service partner. We are an official DMS sales and service partner. We are an official Seppi M. sales and service partner. We are an official JCB construction machinery sales and service partner. We are an official Mercedes-Benz sales and service partner. We are an official Iveco sales and service partner. Additionally, with 800 used vehicles, we are one of the largest commercial vehicle dealers in Germany. Blsdoyhym Njpfx Akxog We supply the complete HS Schoch range for you! Errors and prior sale excepted! = More information = Condition: New Application: Construction Unladen weight: 180 kg Please contact Marius Herden for more information.

Condition: used, For inquiries about the attachment, Mr. Herden is available to assist you by phone. HS Schoch brush rake / root rake / MS01 / 1,200 mm / HARDOX / available immediately / NEW Price: €1,690.00 net / €2,011.10 gross - Working width (mm): 1,200 - Net weight (kg): 100 kg - Carrier vehicle operating weight (t): 1 - 3 MS01 coupler included. The brush rake is manufactured entirely from HARDOX. We have a very large selection of various brush and root rakes in stock and available for immediate delivery! Mr. Herden (Tel.) will be happy to assist you. Upon request, we are pleased to offer you financing options. We are an official sales and service partner for Westtech. We are an official sales and service partner for Magni telehandlers. We are an official sales and service partner for Gierking GMT. We are an official sales and service partner for OilQuick. We are an official sales and service partner for Weber MT. We are an official sales and service partner for Holp. We are an official sales and service partner for DMS. We are an official sales and service partner for Seppi M. We are an official sales and service partner for JCB construction machinery. We are an official sales and service partner for Mercedes-Benz. We are an official sales and service partner for Iveco. In addition, with 800 used vehicles in stock, we are one of the largest commercial vehicle dealers in Germany. We supply the complete range of HS Schoch products! Bledpfx Asyhym Aekxsg Errors and prior sale excepted. = Additional information = New: Yes Application: Construction Unladen weight: 100 kg Contact Marius Herden for more information.

Condition: used, For enquiries regarding the attachment, Mr. Herden will be happy to assist you (by phone at ...). HS Schoch Root Rake / MS08 / 1,500 mm / HARDOX / available immediately / NEW Price: €3,490.00 net / €4,153.10 gross - Cutting width (mm): 1,500 - Own weight (kg): 265 kg - Carrier machine operating weight (t): 7 – 9.5 - Number of tines: 5 - Tine thickness (mm): 25 MS08 mount included. The root rake is manufactured entirely from HARDOX. Tooth system: ESCO V17VY. We have a very large selection of various brush & root rakes in our warehouse, all available for immediate delivery! Mr. Herden (phone ...) will be happy to assist you. On request, we are pleased to provide you with a financing offer. We are an official Westtech sales and service partner. We are an official Magni telehandler sales and service partner. We are an official Gierking GMT sales and service partner. We are an official OilQuick sales and service partner. We are an official Weber MT sales and service partner. Bodpfxeyhynaj Akxslg We are an official Holp sales and service partner. We are an official DMS sales and service partner. We are an official Seppi M. sales and service partner. We are an official JCB construction machinery sales and service partner. We are an official Mercedes-Benz sales and service partner. We are an official Iveco sales and service partner. In addition, with 800 used vehicles, we are one of the largest commercial vehicle dealers in Germany. We supply the complete HS Schoch product range! Errors and prior sale excepted! = Further Information = New: Yes Intended use: Construction Unladen weight: 265 kg Contact Marius Herden for further information.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2019, functionality: fully functional, Technical specifications: Operating voltage: 400V AC, 3PH/PE Frequency: 50Hz Connected load: 110kVA Main supply fuse: 200A Production capacity: depending on material to be processed, 20m/min / 6" core up to max. 830mm diameter / up to 1.4t Bedpfx Aoxzuc Hjkxslg Degree of automation: fully automatic Installation dimensions: 5.2x3.7x3.2m (LxWxH)

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 19,670 h, controller model: PRIMACH 20L, laser power: 4,000 W, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 150 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis travel: 3,000 mm Y-axis travel: 1,500 mm Z-axis travel: 150 mm Working area: 3,000 x 1,500 mm Laser source: CP 4000 Laser power: 4,000 W MACHINE DETAILS Control model: PRIMACH 20L EQUIPMENT Extraction system Blsdpfxsy D Icus Akxog

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 5,812 h, Baler Presto HPK 50 HS, year 2012, with perforator and inclined conveyor (sliding belt conveyor) Manufacturer: Presto Model: HPK 50 HS Year of manufacture: 2012 Operating hours: 5,812 Drive power: 30 kW Pressing force: 50 t Filling opening: 1600 x 650 mm (LxW) Channel cross-section: 700 x 950 mm Max. filling volume: 1.06 m³ Cycle time: 19 s Tying: 4-fold Throughput rate at 35 kg/cbm: 5.5 t/h 60 kg/cbm: 8.8 t/h 100 kg/cbm: 12.7 t/h Bale weight: up to 500 kg Machine dimensions: 8420 x 1900 x 2400 mm (LxWxH) Machine weight: approx. 10,500 kg Perforator, hydraulically movable Drive power: 2 x 4 kW / 400 V Throughput: approx. 220 m³/h Clear feed opening: 1380 x 1200 mm Blodpfxoy Idifs Akxjg Inclined conveyor: Length: 7,931 mm Belt width: 1,400 mm Total width: 2,026 mm Incline: 29° Speed: 0.6 m/s Materials: Paper, cardboard, film, PET bottles Please note: All technical data are based on manufacturer specifications. We accept no liability for the given information or possible errors. Sale is subject to prior sale and changes, and may be revoked at any time. Viewing is possible by arrangement. Sale ex works, prepayment required, without warranty or guarantee.

Condition: used, maximum load weight: 33,540 kg, overall weight: 39,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 04/2015, next inspection (TÜV): 02/2026, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,200 mm, Year of construction: 2015, Vehicle No.: 063-26 Langendorf Tipper Body HARDOX Model SKS-HS 24/30 * First registration: 05/2016 * BPW axles * Lifting axle * Drum brakes * Tyres approx. 60-70% * Unladen weight: 6,200 kg * Payload: 32,800 kg * Sliding tarpaulin * Steel chassis * Steel half-shell body * (WITHOUT supports) Inspection possible anytime during our opening hours; test drives by appointment! For export sales, a deposit will be retained, which will be refunded upon receipt of the confirmation of arrival. Bljdpfx Asyrvn Tskxjg Company or advertising logos on the vehicles may have been digitally edited in the photos. No guarantee is given for the functionality of the extras. All information is provided without guarantee – subject to errors, changes, misprints, and prior sale. Vehicle descriptions are expressly not guaranteed features or conditions. We refer to our terms and conditions, which must be noted.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2010, machine/vehicle number: 0401-260013, The Peddinghaus HS FDB-2500 is a high-performance CNC plate processing center for the precise and economical processing of steel plates. The system combines drilling, thread cutting, countersinking, marking as well as oxyfuel and optional plasma cutting in one fully automated system - ideal for modern steel construction, plant engineering and industrial production. Blsdpjy Iankjfx Akxsg

Year of construction: 2017, condition: used, Used machine Year of manufacture: 2017 Features and technical data: - Automatic cutting plotter with suction zones on the working surface - Automatic cutting table with automatic detection of print images and reference points - The working surface consists of 40 individual vacuum zones that are automatically activated as needed - Multi-tool cutting head for cutting, creasing, and routing materials up to 50 mm thick - Multi-batch cutting capability for processing different substrates simultaneously - Automatic tool presetting - Video projection system for optimizing material yield - Cutting speed up to 102 m/min, acceleration 1.4 G - Automatic height detection of substrates - Working area: 3100 x 2000 mm - Suction zones in working area: 40 - Cutting speed up to 102 m/min Bsdpfx Akoy Ih Rtexjlg Tooling program: - Creasing tool, oscillating knife, router - Elitron CAD & CUT (software) Elipack Availability: Short-term Location: 63934 Röllbach

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2020, useful working area: 3000x1500 mm laser head: klinge or precitec (option) Bledjy It Ttspfx Akxog X/Y return accuracy: 0.05mm/1000mm table capacity: maximum 800 kg max. speed: 120m/min max. acceleration: 1.5G cutting gas requirement: Oxygen and nitrogen Fiber laser: IPG 2500W metal cutting: steel, stainless steel, stainless steel coated steel, galvanized steel and aluminum (in case of 1kW) weight: 7500 kg exchangeable table surface: yes (2 tables, automatic table changer) cover: yes.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2002, x-travel 3000 mm y-travel 1600 mm z-travel 1500 mm table-size (2x) 2000 x 2000 mm control TNC 430 B spindle turning speed range 60 - 3000 U/min spindle taper ISO 50 feeds mm/min table load 3 t Bsdpfxjy D T Rke Akxslg milling drive 25 kW total power requirement 50 kW weight of the machine ca. 26 t dimensions of the machine ca. 6,5 x 3 x 3 m control: Heidenhain TNC 430 B digital. Machine has 6 axes controled, X/Y/Z, C- axe table rotation and A/B axes for universal head. Machine has a 40 position ATC, cooling through spindle, a chip conveyor, an adaptable high speed spindle (30.000 rpm) and two pallets in the pallet changer. Machine in program 22.347 hours.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2000, x-travel 3000 mm y-travel 1400 mm z-travel 1500 mm table-size 3000 x 1400 mm control TNC 430 B spindle turning speed range 60 - 3000 U/min spindle taper ISO 50 feeds mm/min table load 5 t milling drive 22 kW total power requirement 50 kW Bodpfx Akey D T Rdjxjlg weight of the machine ca. 22 t dimensions of the machine ca. 6,5 x 3 x 3 m control: Heidenhain TNC 430 B digital. Universal milling head is automatically swivable and turnable in 1,5° steps. Machine has a 20 position ATC, a chip conveyor, an adaptable high speed spindle (30.000 rpm) and a mist cooling arrangement. Machine in program for 25.616 hours.

Condition: used, working width 350 mm working length 5.100 mm hollow 210 mm Solid hydraulic beam press Bürkle type HS 1/90 35/510 for gluing timber, beams or other pressing tasks. Heating plates without function. Bsdpoy Eryyefx Akxelg Including replacement cylinders as good as new.

Year of construction: 2005, condition: like new (used), machine/vehicle number: Serienr. 1-04, 252, APV/SPX Homogenizer for milk capacity 25.000 L APV Type: R132Q-85,595 Bledofg Tcajpfx Akxsg Serienr. 1-04, 252 From 2005 Capacity 25.000 l/h Low press 60 bar Good working condition

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1988, 1 x oil-flooded single-bar feeder LNS Hydrobar 6.60 HS-4,4 Year of manufacture: 1988 In good condition. Technical data: Diameter: to be specified Bar length: 3,100 mm Accessories: Machine feet The feeder can be inspected at our warehouse in Reichenbach. Bsdpfxsvawtpo Akxslg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 60,683 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,524 mm, turning diameter: 820 mm, spindle speed (max.): 3,300 rpm, rapid traverse X-axis: 40 m/min, milling spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 1,524 mm Turning diameter: 820 mm Travel X-axis: 870 mm Travel Y-axis: 500 mm Travel Z-axis: 1,598 mm Main spindle Max. spindle speed: 3,300 rpm Main spindle drive power: 30 kW / 22 kW Max. torque main spindle: 588 Nm Main spindle nose: A2-11" Spindle bore: 104 mm Indexing: 0.0001 Sub spindle Max. spindle speed: 3,300 rpm Sub spindle drive power: 30 kW / 22 kW Max. torque sub spindle: 588 Nm Bjdpfjy Akpnjx Akxjlg Sub spindle nose: A2-11" Indexing: 0.0001 Milling spindle Milling spindle drive power: 37 kW Max. torque milling spindle: 260 Nm Milling spindle speed range: 0-10,000 rpm Rapid traverse X-axis: 40 m/min Rapid traverse Y-axis: 40 m/min Rapid traverse Z-axis: 40 m/min MACHINE DETAILS Control: Mazatrol 640M PRO Tool holder: SK50 Number of tool stations: 120 Operating voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz Connected load: 104 kVA Required floor space (L x W): 7 x 3.5 m Operating hours: 60,683 h EQUIPMENT Infinitely variable speed adjustment 120-position tool magazine High-pressure coolant 70 bar Renishaw Laser measuring system for rotating tools Interface set Air / water cooling through the spindle Overload monitoring system Mayfran Consep 2000 chip conveyor SMW quick-change chuck

Condition: used, mileage: 287,000 km, power: 355 kW (482.67 HP), first registration: 09/2022, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, brakes: retarder, color: white, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 4,000 mm, Year of construction: 2022, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, compressor, electronic stability program (ESP), parking heater, DAF XF480 AT-Boretec HS2, approx. 1,900 operating hours, well-maintained, last service at 1,760 operating hours. The HS2 system truck is a bentonite mixing and recycling system designed for use in complex drilling projects. With its 45 kVA generator, the HS2 provides a powerful and reliable solution. The system is equipped with ten cyclones and three centrifugal pumps, each rated at 7.5 kW, ensuring efficient processing and transfer of drilling fluids. The shaker features three dual-deck flatscreens with six screens in total, allowing for thorough screening and cleaning. The total tank capacity is 12,000 liters, divided into three tanks, providing ample capacity for drilling fluids. Additionally, the HS2 includes a 1,100-liter fresh water tank. The HS2 system truck is integrated in a BDF container construction, offering maximum flexibility and mobility for operations at various sites. It also comes with a tank capacity increased by 4,000 liters, resulting in a total of 12,000 liters. Construction Description: SYSTEMTRUCK HS2 The most proven all-rounder with a total tank volume of 12m³ (5 + 5 + 2), sold over 200 times since 2015 and continuously improved for ongoing successful operation. Optimally designed for drilling rigs in the 15–25 t performance class. The three KSB centrifugal pumps, each with a flow rate of 1,100 l/min (7.5 kW), are powered by an underfloor-installed 50 kVA generator. Max. cleaning performance of up to 150 m³/day or 15 m³/h Centrifuge option: For drilling rigs with small, high-pressure bentonite quick-runner pumps to significantly increase service life; 10 hydrocyclones to separate fine solids: 2.2 bar. Mixing and recycling system in an ISO container frame Also usable as a full-fledged permanent mixing plant with 2 × 5 m³ working tanks. Empty weight, depending on chassis and due to high-quality lightweight construction, is approx. 17 t Mounted on a 3-axle, 26 t chassis 3 dual-deck flatscreen shakers with 6 screens for removal of coarse solids 1,100 l fresh water tank capacity TECHNICAL DATA: SYSTEMTRUCK HS2 CARRIER VEHICLE: Permissible gross vehicle weight: 26 t BDF CONTAINER L x W x H (mm): 7,450 x 2,550 x 2,950 Total weight (incl. truck): 17,000 kg TANK SYSTEM: Total tank volume: 12,000 l Tank 1: 5,000 l Tank 2: 5,000 l Tank 3: 2,000 l Fresh water tank volume: 1,100 l RECYCLING SYSTEM Shaker: 3 dual-deck flatscreen units Total number of screens: 6 Shaker inclination adjustment: manual (hydraulic) Number of hydrocyclones: 10 (4?) Number of centrifugal pumps: 3 Centrifugal pump rating: 7.5 kW Centrifuge: 1 Number of agitators: 3 Agitator power (Tank 1): 1.5 kW Agitator power (Tank 2): 1.5 kW Agitator power (Tank 3): 0.9 kW Cleaning capacity: up to 150 m³/day GENERATOR Generator output: 50 kVA Bljdpey Ify Sjfx Akxsg Emission standard: Stage V Installation: Underfloor AT-Boretec HS2 HS2 Bentonite Mixing and Recycling System, year of manufacture 2022 DAF truck first registration: 2019 Truck with AT-Boretec HS2 with registration as a self-propelled work machine. Bentonite mixing and recycling systems – The use of the HDD system truck provides the following advantages: * Significant savings on fresh water and bentonite * Cost savings on bentonite disposal due to recycling * Substantial reduction in drilling downtime by eliminating waiting times for water refueling, mixing, and disposal * Strong reduction in ...