Used Traub Td 26 for sale (81)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Traub 700 734 VEMEM/I interface board, used, in good condition, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos. Dodpsx Eu Tvsfx Ab Uscf

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1994, TRAUB TNS 65 D / 5-axis CNC turning-milling center - TX8 D control - Complete technical data see photos - Year of manufacture 1994 - Hydrobar bar feeder Dsdsyc Nnzjpfx Ab Ujcf - Various driven tool holders - Tool holders - Three-jaw chuck - Complete documentation Subject to errors and omissions.

Year of construction: 1978, condition: used, Article: Programme-controlled automatic lathe Manufacturer: Traub Type: TF60 / 140 Yob: 1978 Dcjdpjl Rmqtsfx Ab Uof Bar automat Please, contact us for getting more information and pictures on mail(at) or *

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, operating hours: 19,441 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 6000816, turning length: 50 mm, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, bar passage: 12 mm, controller model: Mitsubishi TX-8i, counter spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 50 mm Main spindle Technology: Belt-driven spindle Speed: 12,000 rpm Power: 4 kW Torque: 7 Nm Bar capacity: 12 mm Travel in Z1: 50 mm Workpiece clamping: Collet chuck Counter spindle Technology: Belt-driven spindle Speed: 12,000 rpm Power: 4 kW Torque: 7 Nm Travel in X3/Z4: 222/139 mm Rapid traverse in X3/Z4: 15 m/min Workpiece clamping: Collet chuck Tool Carrier I (X/Y) Technology: Turret with 6 stations (fully driven) Tool holder: Ø25 mm Driven tool speed: 8,000 rpm, 1.5 kW, 2.4 Nm Travel in X1/Y1: 35/37.5 mm Rapid traverse in X1/Y1: 15 m/min Tool Carrier II (X/Z) Technology: Turret with 6 stations (fully driven) Tool holder: Ø25 mm Driven tool speed: 8,000 rpm, 1.5 kW, 2.4 Nm Travel in X2/Z2: 35/50 mm Rapid traverse in X2/Z2: 15 m/min Front Attachment Number of stations: 4 Tool holder: Ø28 mm Station pitch: 32 mm Driven tool speed: 12,000 rpm, 4 kW, 7 Nm Number of driven stations: 4 Travel in X3/Z3: 222/139 mm Rapid traverse in X3/Z3: 15 m/min Rear Attachment Djdsx Hxv Dopfx Ab Uocf Number of stations: 4 Tool holder: Ø28 mm Station pitch: 32 mm Driven tool speed: 8,000 rpm, 1.5 kW, 2.4 Nm Number of driven stations: 4 Travel in X4: 39 mm Rapid traverse in X4: 15 m/min MACHINE DETAILS Control system: Mitsubishi TX-8i Dimensions & Weight Spindle center height above floor: 1,050 mm Dimensions (L x W x H): 1,450 x 1,098 x 1,700 mm Dimensions (L x W x H) with standard coolant tank: 2,355 x 1,098 x 1,700 mm Weight with control cabinet (max. configuration): 2,000 kg Weight without control cabinet (max. configuration): 1,600 kg Weight with control cabinet (min. configuration): 1,200 kg Weight without control cabinet (min. configuration): 850 kg Operating Hours Power-on hours (control): 19,441 h Automatic mode 1: 7,607 h Automatic mode 2: 6,720 h Production time: 38,989 h Total counter: 50,536 h EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor Coolant pump Bar feeder FMB minimag 3200 Workpiece discharge device (tube) Mechanical interface prepared Various fixed holders Rinse gun

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1999, operating hours: 110,000 h, functionality: fully functional, spindle bore: 42 mm, Description follows Dodpfxox A Ha Ho Ab Uscf

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2012, functionality: fully functional, Description follows Dsdpfx Absx A Hdfe Ujcf

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2022, operating hours: 13,116 h, Max. bar capacity mm: 20 Max. Z-axis travel (sliding headstock/fixed headstock) mm: 205 / 80 Max. spindle speed rpm: 10,000 Drive power 100%/40% duty cycle kW: 3.0 / 5.5 Torque 100%/40% duty cycle Nm: 5.73 / 10.5 / max. 17.2 C-axis resolution degrees: 0.001 Max. rapid traverse Z m/min: 20 Tool stations: 8 Driven tools: 8 Max. tool speed rpm: 12,000 / 8,000 Tool holder diameter mm: 45 Drive power 100%/40% duty cycle kW: 1.0 / 2.0 Turning tool cross-section mm: 16x16 / 20x20 Slide travel X mm: 120 / 165 Slide travel Y mm: ±25.4 Slide travel Z mm: 254 / 567.5 Rapid traverse X/Y/Z m/min: 20 / 20 / 40 B-axis swivel angle degrees: 105 Lower turret: Tool stations: 8 Driven tools: 8 Max. tool speed rpm: 12,000 Tool holder diameter mm: 45 Drive power 100%/40% duty cycle kW: 1.0 / 2.0 Turning tool cross-section mm: 16x16 / 20x20 Slide travel X mm: 120 Slide travel Y mm: ±25.4 Slide travel Z mm: 155 Rapid traverse X/Y/Z m/min: 20 / 20 / 40 Back working device: Tool stations: 4 Slide travel X/Y/Z mm: 120 / ±25.4 / 155 Tool holder diameter mm: 25 Sub spindle: Max. spindle bore mm: 20 Max. spindle speed rpm: 10,000 Drive power 100%/40% duty cycle kW: 3.0 / 5.5 Torque 100%/40% duty cycle Nm: 5.73 / 10.5 / max. 17.2 Slide travel X mm: 235.5 Slide travel Z mm: 258 C-axis resolution degrees: 0.001 Rapid traverse X/Z m/min: 20 / 40 Coolant system basic unit: Pump pressure bar: 3 / 8 Tank capacity l: 250 Flow rate at 3 / 8 bar l/min: 80 / 120 Dcsdpfx Abowuddvj Uef Filtration degree µm: 200 Machine dimensions Length x width x height mm: see installation plan* Weight kg: 5,000* Connected load kW: 40 (47 kVA)

Condition: good (used), Internal item no.: 25088 Tool holder Thread whirling holder incl. cutting inserts Index / Traub No.: 12068219 Dcsdpfxoxu Dcvs Ab Ujf The tool was used on a Traub TNL18 Very well-maintained condition!

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1996, operating hours: 15,001 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 462, controller model: Traub TX8F, number of axes: 7, Equipment: bar feeder, chip conveyor, CNC lathe with 7 axes, bar feeder & additional equipment! TECHNICAL DETAILS Bar length: 3000 mm Number of axes: 7 Control: Traub TX8F MACHINE DETAILS Spindle 1 operating hours: 50,318 h Djdpfx Aew Uiqyeb Uscf Spindle 2 operating hours: 32,922 h EQUIPMENT Main spindle Counter spindle 2 turrets 2x C-axis 1x Y-axis Bar feeder: IEMCA CNC BOSS 542 Enclosure Coolant system Chip conveyor

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1993, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 364, controller model: Traub TX8F, number of axes: 7, Equipment: bar feeder, chip conveyor, CNC lathe with 7 axes, bar feeder & additional equipment! TECHNICAL DETAILS Bar length: 3000 mm Number of axes: 7 Control: Traub TX8F MACHINE DETAILS Spindle 1 operating hours: 50,318 h Spindle 2 operating hours: 32,922 h EQUIPMENT Main spindle Dcedsw Ec Aljpfx Ab Uof Counter spindle 2 turrets 2x C-axis 1x Y-axis Bar feeder: IEMCA CNC BOSS 542 Enclosure Coolant system Chip conveyor

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1996, operating hours: 38,433 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 489, bar diameter (max.): 65 mm, controller model: TRAUB TX8F, bar length: 3,000 mm, number of axes: 7, Equipment: bar feeder, chip conveyor, CNC automatic lathe with seven axes as well as main and counter spindle! TECHNICAL DETAILS Axes and spindles Number of axes: 7 Main spindle: present Counter spindle: present Number of turrets: 2 C-axes: 2 Y-axis: 1 Control: TRAUB TX8F MACHINE DETAILS Operating hours: 38,433 hours Dcedjw Uiktspfx Ab Usf EQUIPMENT Bar loading magazine Stamag DN61 (bar diameter 65 mm, bar length 3 m) Coolant system Parts discharge Chip conveyor Air filter

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, spindle bore: 42 mm, turning length: 206 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Spindle power: 5.5 - 9 kW Max. workpiece length: 206 mm Spindle bore: 42 mm Tool holder: 4 slots MACHINE DETAILS Length (L - R): 2,500 mm Width (F - B): 900 mm Dcsdpfxjwtq Ufj Ab Uef Height: 1,700 mm

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 25//16455, rotational speed (max.): 2,800 rpm, rotational speed (min.): 1,400 rpm, turning length: 65 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 65 mm Thread length: 40 mm Max. part length: 65 mm Motor speeds: 1,400-2,800 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Total power requirement: 2.6 kW Dodpfx Aswtq Uljb Uscf Machine weight: 0.7 t Required space: 1,200 x 700 x 1,600 mm Main voltage: 415 V

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, Traub TNL 18-7B CNC Automatic Lathe Base machine: 2441 x 1396 mm Weight: 3800 kg Spindle height above floor: 3800 mm Connected power: 24 kW Main spindle Dodjwg Takspfx Ab Uecf Max. bar capacity: 18 mm Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Cross-cut speed: 5,000 rpm Z stroke: 205 mm Rapid traverse: 40 m/min Z measuring system resolution: 0.001 mm Feed force: 3000 N Spindle head / short taper: Traub short taper mount Max. clamping force: 1400 daN Max. clamping pressure: 40 bar Min. clamping pressure: 7.5 bar Piston area: 40 cm2 Total cylinder travel: 5 mm Clamping tube thread: M25 X 1 Counter spindle Workpiece diameter: 21 mm Workpiece clamping depth: 180 mm Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Strokes: X: 120 mm Y: -20/+40 mm Z: 250 mm Rapid traverse: X: 20 m/min Y: 20 m/min Z: 40 m/min Max. clamping pressure: 30 bar Min. clamping pressure: 10 bar Top tool turret with B-axis Number of stations: 8 Shank cross-section, turning tool: 16 x 16 mm Stroke: X: 120 mm Y: -25/+40 mm Z: 250 mm Rapid traverse: X: 20 m/min Y: 20 m/min Z: 40 m/min Chip-to-chip time: 0.5 sec Measuring system resolution: X: 0.0005 mm Y: 0.0005 mm Z: 0.001 mm Lower tool turret Number of stations: 7 + counter spindle Shaft cross-section, turning tool: 16 x 16 mm Stroke: X: 120 mm Y: -20/+40 mm Z: 250 mm Rapid traverse: X: 20 m/min Y: 20 m/min Z: 40 m/min Chip-to-chip time: 0.5 sec Measuring system resolution: X: 0.0005 mm Y: 0.0005 mm Z: 0.001 mm Tool drive for upper tool turret Number of driven stations: Max. 8 Drive power: 2 kW Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Torque: 3.9 Nm Tool drive for lower tool turret Number of driven stations: 7 + counter spindle Drive power: 3.4 kW Max. speed: 12,000 rpm Torque: 7.3 Nm Tool drive for the rear unit Number of stations: 7 Number of driven stations: max. 3 Pitch spacing: 46 mm Drive power: 2 kW Max. speed: 7,500 rpm Torque: 4.7 Nm Drive power: 2 kW Max. speed: 4,000 rpm Torque: 11.8 SCOPE OF OFFER INCLUDES (list is not exhaustive): Traub CNC lathe Tool holders, driven and non-driven High-pressure and belt filter system Oil mist separator Fire extinguishing system Chip conveyor Bar loader Operational documentation For the exact scope of offer, see the photo gallery No liability is assumed for the accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of the information provided.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2002, TRAUB TNL 12/7 CNC sliding headstock automatic lathe TECHNICAL DATA Bar capacity: 12 mm Main headstock strokes: 130 / 80 mm Spindle power: 4 kW Speed, main spindle: 12`000 rpm Upper turret: 6 positions Lower turret: 6 positions Number of driven tools, turret: 6 Max diameter, counter spindle: 12 mm Dcsdpfxst E Dbyj Ab Uof Speed, counter spindle: 12`000 rpm Dimensions: 2850 x 1100 x 1480 mm SCOPE OF OFFER U.A: (list not exhaustive): Traub TNL 12/7 CNC lathe Meyrat high-frequency spindles, 2 pieces Tool holders (driven and non-driven) FMB Minimag 3200 C bar loader Hydraulic unit High pressure pump Chip conveyor Exact scope of supply according to photo gallery No responsibility is taken for the correctness, completeness and up-to-dateness of the information.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1990, turning diameter 250 mm turning length 450 mm control TX8D bore 80 mm spindle speed: 3150 U/min. CNC Lathe with Bar Feed and 3 Turrets Dcedpet Hwq Dofx Ab Usf Very large spindle bore, with bar loading device Please ask for further details.

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - maxi bar diameter : 12.7 [mm] - main headstock strokes (fixed/rotary sleeve) : 130/80 [mm] - spindle power : 4 [kW] - rotation speed : 12 000 [rpm] - upper turret : 6 positions - lower turret : 6 positions - number of rotary positions on turret : 6 - sub-spindle maxi diameter : 12.7 [mm] - sub-spindle rotation speed : 12 000 [rpm] - dimensions : 2850 x 110 x 1480 [mm] Dcjdpfxsuhav De Ab Uef - hours in production : 12408 [H] - spindle hours : 9400 [H] EQUIPMENT - CNC TRAUB TX 8i control - bar feeder LNS Alpha ST 320 - C axis on main spindle and sub-spindle - brake on main spindle and sub-spindle - parts catcher with conveying strip - anti fire device - lubricating tank with pump with cooling unit - chip conveyor - various fixed and driven tool holders

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 9 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12.7 [mm] - Max. machining length : 130 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12.7 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] - Number of turrets : 2 UPPER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X stroke : 35 [mm] - Y stroke : -9.5/+28 [mm] - Z stroke : 48 [mm] LOWER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X/Z stroke : 35/79.5 [mm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 10000 [rpm] - X/Z stroke : 415/138.5 [mm] SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 10000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX8i Dodpfxouhaw Uj Ab Uscf - Rotating guide bush - Coolant tank - Bar loader : FMB Minimag

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 9 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12.7 [mm] - Max. machining length : 130 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12.7 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2.5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0.001 [°] - Number of turrets : 2 UPPER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X stroke : 35 [mm] - Y stroke : -9.5/+28 [mm] - Z stroke : 48 [mm] LOWER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X/Z stroke : 35/79.5 [mm] Dodeuhaxfopfx Ab Uocf END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 10000 [rpm] - X/Z stroke : 415/138.5 [mm] SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 10000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX8i - Rotating guide bush - Coolant tank - Bar loader : LNS TRYTON HYBRID

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of spindles : 2 - Number of axes : 12 - Number of turrets : 3 MAIN SPINDLE - Spindle nose : A2-6 - Spindle power : 24 [kW] - Spindle speeds : 5.000 [rpm] - Max. bar diameter : 65 [mm] - Max. chuck diameter : 175 [mm] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Spindle nose : A2-5 - Spindle power : 28 [kW] - Spindle speeds : 7.000 [rpm] Djdeuhadzjpfx Ab Uscf - Max. bar diameter : 42 [mm] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] - Travel : 700 [mm] UPPER LEFT TURRET - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 10 - X/Z stroke : 175 / 650 [mm] - Y stroke : +/- 40 [mm] - Tool type : VDI 30 - Live tools speed : 6.000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 5,5 [kW] LOWER LEFT TURRET - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 10 - X/Z stroke : 175 / 650 [mm] - Y stroke : +/- 40 [mm] - Tool type : VDI 30 - Live tools speed : 6.000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 5,5 [kW] LOWER RIGHT TURRET - Number of positions : 10 - Number of motorized positions : 10 - X/Z stroke : 175 / 650 [mm] - Y stroke : +/- 40 [mm] - Tool type : VDI 30 - Live tools speed : 6.000 [rpm] - Live tools power : 5,5 [kW] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 95 [kW] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 5.450 x 2.318 [mm] - Machine height : 2.258 [mm] - Machine weight : 10.000 [kg] MACHINE HOURS - Number of working hours : 50000 [h] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX8i-S - Electronic handwheel - 3 colors status lamp - Coolant tank : RESY * with high-pressure pump * with paper filtering unit - Chips conveyor - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Number of turning tool holders : 6 - Number of fixed tool holders : 33 - Collet chuck : 2 HAINBUCH

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 - Number of turrets : 1 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12,7 [mm] Dcodpfx Asuhawzjb Ujf - Max. machining length : 130 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12,7 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] LOWER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X/Z stroke : 35/50 [mm] - Live tools speed : 8.000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 - Number of motorized positions : 4 - Live tools speed : 12.000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 18 [kW] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX8i - Interface : RJ45 / PCMCIA - Spindle brake : on main spindle - Parts catcher - Coolant tank : 200 [l] - Chips conveyor : KNOLL - Bar loader : FMB Minimag 3200 C - Number of turning tool holders : 2 - Number of fixed tool holders : 14 - Collets collection for chuck : F20 - Collets collection for chuck : F16 - Sockets : 4 - Set of shells and collets for bar feeder - Set of spare parts

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 8 - Number of spindles : 2 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 13 [mm] - Max. machining length : 130 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] - Number of spindle hours : 26.709 [h] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 13 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] - Number of spindle hours : 16.854 [h] - Number of turrets : 2 UPPER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X stroke : 35 [mm] - Z stroke : 50 [mm] - Live tools speed : 8.000 [rpm] LOWER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X stroke : 35 [mm] * Y stroke : -9,5 / +28 [mm] - Live tools speed : 8.000 [rpm] POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 16 [kVA] WEIGHT & DIMENSIONS - Machine floor space : 2.850 x 1.100 [mm] - Machine height : 1.480 [mm] - Machine weight : 2.000 [kg] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX 8i - Rotating guide bush - Parts catcher - Parts conveying strip - Chips conveyor : KNOLL 160 S-1 - Coolant tank : 500 [l] * with paper filtering unit Dsdpfxeuhawhe Ab Uecf - Bar loader : FMB Minimag 18 / 3200 C - Oil mist extractor : UAS SMOG HOG SH-05 - Number of fixed tool holders : 5

Condition: used, TECHNICAL DETAILS - Number of axes : 7 - Number of spindles : 2 - Number of turrets : 1 MAIN SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12,7 [mm] - Max. machining length : 130 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] - C axis indexing precision : 0,001 [°] COUNTER-SPINDLE - Max. bar diameter : 12,7 [mm] - Spindle speeds : 12.000 [rpm] - Spindle power : 2,5 [kW] LOWER TURRET - Number of positions : 6 - Number of motorized positions : 6 - X/Z stroke : 35/50 [mm] - Live tools speed : 8.000 [rpm] END ATTACHMENT - Number of positions : 4 SECONDARY OPERATION - Number of positions : 4 POWER SUPPLY - Supply voltage : 400 [V] - Total installed power : 18 [kW] EQUIPMENT - CNC : Traub TX8i - Interface : RJ45 / PCMCIA - Spindle brake : on main spindle - Parts catcher Dcjdpfx Aeuhawueb Usf - Coolant tank : 200 [l] - Chips conveyor : KNOLL - Bar loader : FMB Minimag 3200 C - Number of turning tool holders : 2 - Number of fixed tool holders : 14 - Collets collection for chuck : F20 - Collets collection for chuck : F16 - Sockets : 4 - Set of shells and collets for bar feeder - Tool presetter

Condition: used, Swiss-type cnc lathe TRAUB TNL 12/7 Dcsdpfsxbtz Uex Ab Uef

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2001, TNK 36, year of manufacture 2001 Dedexv Sr Iopfx Ab Uscf including chip conveyor, Resy filtration system In good condition, operated without loader, not under power