Used Cnc Hydraulic Bemder for sale (24,193)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, CNC turning/milling center Manufacturer: MAZAK Machine model: Integrex 200 2S Control: Mazatrol 640 MT pro Year of manufacture: 2004 TECHNICAL DATA Swing diameter, max. (mm) 660 Turning diameter, max. (mm) 660 Max. turning diameter over slide (mm) 500 - 660 Bar machining up to Ø (mm) 64 Workpiece weight - Chuck workpiece (kg) 100 - Shaft workpiece (kg) 150 Travel distances - X-axis (mm) 580 - Z-axis (mm) 1,045 - Y-axis (mm) ± 80 - W-axis (mm) 1,050 - B-axis (degrees) -30 to +195 Rapid traverse rate (m/min) - X-axis (m/min) 38 - Y-axis (m/min) 26 - Z-axis (m/min) 38 - W-axis (m/min) 30 - C-axis (rpm) 400 Feed rate range - X / Z / Y-axis (mm/min) 0 – 8,000 Main spindle integrated spindle motor - Speed range (stepless) (rpm) 35 – 5,000 - Drive power (kW) 22 - Torque max. (Nm) 349 - Spindle nose A2 - 6 inches - Indexing (degrees) 0.0001 Second spindle - Speed range (rpm) 35 – 5,000 - Drive power (kW) 18.5 - Torque max. (Nm) 326 - Indexing (degrees) 0.0001 Driven tools - Speed range (rpm) 15 – 12,000 - Drive power (kW) 15 - Torque max. (Nm) 120 - Tool holder Capto C6 Tool magazine - Number of tool positions 40 - Tool weight max. (kg) 10 - Tool diameter max. (mm) 90 - with free secondary positions max. (mm) 125 - Tool length max. (mm) 300 Gkodpfo Ahynkox Abhsd - Tool change time (sec.) approx. 1.3 sec Connected load 62 kVA Operating voltage 400 V / 50 Hz EQUIPMENT FEATURES + Coolant tank capacity 220 liters + Chip conveyor, hinged belt design, discharge to the side + Automation alphaMAX ++ Industrial robot designation Motoman NX 100 ++ Number of axes 6 ++ Load capacity 20 kg ++ Positional repeatability ± 0.06 mm DIMENSIONS and WEIGHTS Machine weight (kg) approx. 10,200 Machine footprint (mm) 3,820 x 2,060 Subject to changes and errors in technical data and specifications.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Technical description added as pdf file. Machine is in very good working condition. Still in production. Gkedpfxj Ahyx Rs Abhjd On last picture written 19 stk, with machine will come 29 stk (pieces).

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1996, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, CNC lathe, of Japanese manufacture, complete with C-axis and powered tool turret; FANUC 18T CNC control. Equipped with: chip conveyor tailstock Gkjdpfj Ah Hfvsx Abhod hydraulic chuck with various sets of jaws tool presetter parts collection arm for bar machining 4 powered tool turrets included set of fixed tool holders machine manuals

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, Colchester Tornado Turning Center 3 Axes: X, Z, Y Model: Tornado 80 Gjdpjz S U Eujfx Abhskd CNC: GE Fanuc Series 21i-T Year: 1998 Tornado Bar Feeder Colchester Model: MBF 1000

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2010, functionality: fully functional, FOR SALE CNC Lathe with Two Spindles and Y-Axis Mori Seiki NL2500SY/700 (year 2010) available for sale: CNC Lathe with Two Spindles and Y-Axis Mori Seiki NL2500SY/700 (2010) Specifications and technical capabilities: - Machining capabilities: Max. turning diameter: 356 mm | Max. turning length: 705 mm | Bar capacity: 80 mm - Main spindle: Max. speed: 4,000 rpm | Spindle nose: A2-8 | Motor power: 26 kW - Counter spindle: Max. speed: 6,000 rpm | Spindle nose: A2-5 | Motor power: 11 kW - Turret and Y-axis: 12-position turret (all motorized, max. tool speed: 6,000 rpm) | Y-axis travel: ±50 mm Machine history and condition: - Numerical control: FANUC CNC - Identification: Manufactured in Japan in November 2010 - Certified hours: Power-on time: 16,311 h | Actual cutting time: 15,534 h | Operating time: 3,110 h - Maintenance: Machine in good condition, well-maintained and regularly serviced Equipment and accessories included: - Chip evacuation: Rear chip conveyor - Clamping: Equipped with a collet chuck - Turret tooling: Supplied with 5 drilling chucks and 2 double-sided external chucks - Important note: Sold without a drawbar, without a tailstock, and without a chip extraction system. Logistics: Godpfxo Af A Amj Abhjkd - Footprint dimensions: approximately 4.3 m x 2.1 m | Weight: 6,200 kg - Required power supply: 200V AC / 3-phase / 44 kVA

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Pinacho Lathe Type SE 200 Year 2023 Fagor CNC Made in Spain Includes Tooling Includes Goggles Machine is like new; it has only 200 hours of use Exact Model: Pinacho SE 200-42 Ax1000/S1 Gkodpfxozhw D Ts Abhsd Key Features: ✔ Only 200 hours of use ✔ Virtually new

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, CMZ Turning Center 4 Axes: X, Z, C, B Type: TL 25 BTM Year: 2004 CNC: GE Fanuc Series 18i-TB Video Available Inspection Possible Gksdpfx Aez Ih A Dsbhod Jaw Chucks: Included ✅ Tool Holder: Included ✅ Documentation: Included ✅ Chip Conveyor: Included ✅

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2019, functionality: fully functional, CNC lathe Okuma LU 3000 EX 2ST-600, 224198 Control: OSP-P300LA Year of manufacture: 09/2019 Internal machine number: 85 Turning length: 600 mm Maximum turning diameter: 410 mm Swiveling diameter over bed: 580 mm Spindle speed: 50 - 5,000 rpm 2 tool turrets A-turret: 12 tool stations B-turret: 8 tool stations Equipment / accessories: - Chip conveyor - One Touch IGF - Blum 3D measuring probe tool monitoring system - Reinforced coolant pump, 80 bar, Interlit Drum filter with additional water tank and high-pressure pump, 80 bar Godpfxj Ah Sats Abhjkd - Hainbuch clamping chuck, Kombi 100 - Automatic door - Touchsetter

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, Travel range: X=4400 Y=2195 Z=440 mm Working area in X=3650 mm Y=1560 mm Clearance: 330 mm Electrospindle SCM Power 2000, high speed milling spindle with 13 kW power Rotary axis Vector (C-axis) Cleaning blower for tool on the milling unit Tool holder HSK 63 F Speed range 600 - 24,000 rpm, stepless via inverter Motor power 8.5 kW Tool holders: 6 pcs Tool changer: Rapid 12 (12 positions) Vacuum pump 250 m³/h / 5.5 kW Max. vacuum: 0.9 bar Reference stop at the sides of the table Drilling unit with 11 spindles (7 vertical / 4 horizontal) Control: NUM Series 1000 User interface: XILOG Plus PC Office hardware WINDOWS XP Professional Total connected load: max. 27.5 kW Weight: 5200 kg Storage location: Nattheim Gkedow Dcb Sepfx Abhsd

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2021, Exhibition unit (little used) Unit for cutting soft materials such as honeycomb cores, acoustic elements and fabrics using oscillating movements Processing options: Cutting straight or radial cutouts Typical areas of application: • Textiles: Cutting fabrics or textiles (e.g. leather, felt, etc.) • Cutting honeycomb cores for doors, staircase construction, exhibition stand construction, caravan construction • Acoustic elements: Cutting polyester, foam or other sound-absorbing materials • Aviation, boat building, aerospace: Cutting honeycomb cores Technical specifications Max. input speed: 6,000 min-1 Max. output speed: 9,000 min-1 Gear ratio: 1:1.48 Max. torque: 8 Nm Permissible operating temperature: max. 85°C Position of the torque arm to the tool: 360° Processing angle: 0° Number of tool outputs: 1 / fixed Lubrication: Grease / lifetime grease filling Amplitude: 4 mm Frequency: 150 Hz Storage location: Garbsen Gkedpfx Asvvi Iqjbhsd

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2022, pressing force: 80 t, Bystronic Xpress 80/2100 Hydraulic Press Brake Manufacturer: Bystronic Model: Xpress 80/2100 Serial Number: Xpress 22334EU Year of Manufacture: 10/2022 Technical Data: Maximum Press Force: 800 kN Maximum Working Length: 2100 mm Gedpfx Aoy U I Tuebhekd Maximum Stroke: 200 mm Machine Weight: 6000 kg

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2021, pressing force: 225 t, Bystronic Xact Smart 225/4100 – Hydraulic press brake Manufacturer: Bystronic Model: Xact Smart 225/4100 Serial number: XACT21278SE Year of manufacture: 08/2021 Technical data: Maximum pressing force: 2250 kN Maximum working length: 4100 mm Maximum stroke: 200 mm Rapid traverse speed: 140 mm/s Working speed: 1–10 mm/s Return speed: 115 mm/s Machine weight: 15,000 kg Equipment: Gjdpjy U I R Tefx Abhekd Tools

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, pressing force: 100 t, Press force: 1000 kN (100 tons) Bending length: 2050 mm Gsdpezclc Iofx Abhskd Stroke: 215 mm Opening height: 500 mm Overhang: 400 mm Column spacing: 1700 mm Back gauge: X, R, and Z axes Accuracy of Y-axis: ±0.004 mm Motor power: 7.5 kW Weight: 7400 kg Year of manufacture: 2008

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1999, LVD PPEB110/30 CAD-CNC 110T Serial number: 26225 Year of manufacture: 1999 Bending length: 3050 mm Godpfx Abezzafgehokd Servohydraulic bending system Precise slider positioning using a linear encoder Suitable for precise sheet metal bending.

Condition: excellent (used), CNC Flexible FULL Automatic through-feed ROUTERING, DRILLING and CUTTING (SPLITTING) LINE Min/Max workpieces (panels) width (X axis) with PWX100: mm 250 / 3000 Min/Max workpieces (panels) thickness (Z axis) with PWX100: mm 12 / 60 Min/Max workpieces (panels) length-depth (Y axis) with PWX100: mm 100 /1200 (o 600+600) With automatic base-boards handling A) Loader (Bridge Frame) "MAHROS" Double Station, Mod. Brush CF-SX/D, (with automatic martyr panel management system) and with WEBER Double Labeller B) 1° Motorized Roller table "MAHROS" LS with 90° motorized belts (from longitudinal to transverse) C) Connection transfer, with tilter (180°, up-side-down) "MAHROS" Mod. Rib/C HS-C D) Gantry (Portal) CNC (Drilling) "MORBIDELLI" PowerFlex (PWX) 100 - N° 5 mobile consoles (workbenches) controlled by CN on the X-axis - N° 5 upper drilling units (B), each consisting of: Gkedpfx Aozxc Ncebhsd - 2 vertical 30-spindle heads (60 in total per unit), rotating 0°-90° (X- and Y-axis) - 2 horizontal spindles (4 in total per unit), rotating 0°-90° (X- and Y-axis) Total 300 vertical drilling spindles + Total 20 horizontal drilling spindles (X and Y) - 2 horizontal groups (1 R + 1 L) with 1 head each with 21 spindles (21 + 21 = total 42) E) 2° Roller conveyor "MAHROS" TR-C with 90° motorized belts (from longitudinal to transverse) F) Splitter (Longitudinal sawing-cutting) "CELASCHI" Model SPL Base 2 (for splitting panels in 2) With 3 working units. After cutting, panel width (MIN 70+70 mm; MAX 600+600 mm) G) Stacker (Bridge Frame) "MAHROS", double station Mod. Brush SSL/D (with automatic management system for martyr panels), with "WANDRES" panel cleaner

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, neu 2026 070240 prompt, Zwischenverkauf v Türkei 8300 € 160.19 € 1 1 100 to horizontal verschiebbar 300 mm 1070 mm 5 mm/s 10 mm/s 2110 mm 1000 mm Gedpfx Abowirtzehjkd 2430 mm 1500 kg demo machine / mint condition net price (price for new machine € 9.000,00) horizontally displaceable cylinder with clamping lever steel welded frame stop at any position pressure manometer safety valve against overloading 2 V-blocks table height adjustable table up-down movement attachment control by operating lever according to CE regulations user manual in GERMAN and ENGLISH

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 1,035 mm, turning diameter: 390 mm, travel distance X-axis: 235 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,045 mm, MSD-501 TA II (Fanuc) cnc control main spindle: 3-jaw chuck sub spindle: 3-jaw chuck C-axis driven tools 12-fold revolver chip conveyor coolant device portal loading device without function Godpe Ah Sbiefx Abhokd Technische Daten: / technical details Umlaufdurchmesser über Bett / rotary diameter over bed 680 mm Umlaufdurchmesser über Schlitten / rotary diameter over sledge 510 mm Drehdurchmesser / turning diameter 390 mm Drehlänge / turning length 1035 mm X-Achsen Verfahrweg / X-axis travel 235 mm Z-Achsen Verfahrweg / Z-axis travel 1045 mm max. Drehzahl / max. spindle speed 3500 UpM /rpm Anzahl der Revolverplätze / numbers of tool places 12 max. Stangendurchlass / max. bar diameter 73 mm Gewicht ca. / weight ca. 5600 kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2007, functionality: fully functional, turning diameter: 310 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,200 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 60 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 210 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 610 mm, For sale is a powerful and precise CNC lathe EMCO TURN 365 / E65, manufactured in 2007. The machine is equipped with a Siemens control system, powered tools on all 12 stations, a C-axis, a tailstock, and a matching EMCO COMPACT LOAD E65 short bar loader. The machine is in well-maintained condition and is ready for immediate use. Technical data: Manufacturer: EMCO MAIER Machine operating hours: 17,842 h Production operating hours: 3,369 h Model: EMCOTURN 365 / E65 Year of manufacture: 2007 Control system: SIEMENS Working area & travels: Travel X: 210 mm Travel Z: 610 mm C-axis: 360° (resolution 0.001°) Max. turning length (part length): 520 mm Max. turning diameter: ø 310 mm Diameter over bed: ø 600 mm Max. bar diameter: ø 65 mm Main spindle: Speed range: 60 – 4,200 min⁻¹ Drive power (100% / 60% ED): 15 / 18 kW Max. torque: 192 Nm Spindle connection: KK 6 (DIN 55026) Tool turret: Type: 12-position VDI 30 axial turret Powered tools: Yes, on all 12 stations (for milling & drilling) Accessories & equipment: Automation: Short bar loader EMCO COMPACT LOAD E65 Tailstock: Hydraulically operated (500 mm travel, MK4) Chip conveyor: Included Measuring arm: Tool setting measuring arm directly in the working area Gkedpfsz Aknhex Abhjd Part catcher, storage at chip conveyor Upon request, transport and loading can be arranged throughout Europe for an additional fee. Prices plus VAT. Inspection is possible by appointment. Contact us, our team will be happy to assist you. Trade-in or exchange is possible! Machine buying/selling BUYING / SELLING PRODUCTION & METALWORKING MACHINES AND MORE. Do you need a high-quality, yet affordable metalworking machine for your production? Or do you want to sell yours? For more information or contact options, please visit our website.

Condition: used, ROSA LINEA IRON 08.6 N is a CNC surface grinder designed for precision, high accuracy and reliability. Table 800×400 mm; travels X 950 mm, Z 550 mm; grinding length 850 mm, width 630 mm; table load max 1000 kg; wheel Ø400×80 mm, bore 127 mm. Wheel speed fixed 1500 t/min; table speeds 1–38 m/min; automatic cross feed stepless 1–8 m/min; supply 3×400 V 50 Hz; machine weight ≈6000 kg; footprint 3600×2200×2300 mm. Achieves tight tolerances; suitable for automotive, tooling, aerospace, medical and watchmaking. Gsdpe Adziiefx Abhjkd

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 1987, Used Giddings and Lewis Model MC 50 Twin Pallet Horizontal Machining Centre with Live Spindle, 60 ATC and G&L 8000A Control System. Serial # 445-1052.Year of Manufacture: 1987 Machine Formerly Installed at Rolls Royce Plc In Derby UK. Immediately for Sale and now Located in Belgium where it can be Inspected. Spindle Diameter - 130 MM Gjdpeu Dahnefx Abhokd Spindle Taper - 50 ISO Spindle Travel (Z Axis) - 915 MM Spindle Speeds (4 Ranges) - 5 to 1500 RPM Main Motor - 30 HP Pallet Size - 1219 x 1245 MM Pallet Rotation Increments - 0.001 DEG (360,000 POSITIONS) Pallet Changer Max Load - 5000KGS Pallet Max Load Without APC - 9000 KGS Longitudinal Travel (W) - 1700 MM Vertical Travel Of Head (Y) - 1500 MM Cross Travel (X) - 1800 MM Feed Rates Per Minute - 1.00MM/MIN TO RAPID RATE Rapid Traverse Rate Per Minute (X And Y) - 4500 MM / MIN Rapid Traverse Rate Per Minute (Z And W) - 3000 MM / MIN Auto Tool Changer - 60 POSITIONS Electrical Supply - 415V, 3PH, 50HZ FEATURES AND EQUIPMENT High Pressure (25 Bar) Through Spindle Coolant, High Tolerance Machine. Accurate Machine which was well Maintained and Regularly Calibrated by Manufacturer. Renishaw Probing. Length - 11679 MM Width - 6502 MM Height - 4423 MM Weight - 40329 KGS

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 006279, X axis working area: 3100 mm Y axis working area: 1250 mm Working Table: Flat table Number of controlled axes: 3 axes Total number of drilling spindles: 11 Gjdpfx Abjz S T T Rshokd Total number of tool changer positions: 8

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 005583, X axis working area: 3680 mm Y axis working area: 2040 mm Working Table: Flat table Main Electrospindle power: 13 KW Number of controlled axes: 3 axes Total number of drilling spindles: 11 Total number of tool changer positions: 12 Gjdpez S T Ubsfx Abhokd

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1998, Press Force 315.00 t Stroke 500 mm Throat 425 mm Installation Height (Upward Stroke) 1,000 mm Table Surface 1,200 x 815 mm Godpfxjv Rwu Uo Abhskd Table Height above Floor 800 mm Ram Surface 1,100 x 700 mm Speed Down 48 mm/s Speed Up 330 mm/s Working Speed 19 mm/s Oil Volume 1,600 l Power Requirement 82.0 kW Weight 23.00 t Dimensions (WxDxH) 2.4 x 2.8 x 4.0 m For Permitted for manual loading according to the CE standard with oil-hydraulic drive, controllable depending on pressure/time and travel, light-guard at the front (Sick), two-hand operation permitted for manual loading according to the CE standard with oil-hydraulic drive, controllable depending on pressure/time and travel, light-guard at the front (Sick), two-hand operation

Year of construction: 2012, condition: good (used), Mazatrol Smart CNC control 3-jaw chuck C-axis driven tools 12-fold revolver Tool Eye tail stock coolant device chip conveyor Technische Daten / technical details: max. Umlaufdurchmesser / max. swing diameter 660 mm max. Drehdurchmesser/ max. turning diameter 350 mm max. Drehlänge / max. turning length 532 mm Planweg (x) / cross way (x) 225 mm Längsweg (z) / longitudinal way (z) 560 mm Drehzahlbereich / spindle speed 5000 UpM /rpm Drehzahl angetriebene Werkzeuge / speed of driven tools 4500 UpM / rpm Werkzeugrevolver / turret head 12 fach /holes Eilgang X/Z / rapid feed X/Z 30/33 m/min Antriebsleistung Spindel / drive capacity spindle 15 kW Gewicht der Maschine ca. / weight 4500 kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Gsdeiyx Diepfx Abhokd Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding.

Condition: good (used), mileage: 653,446 km, power: 368 kW (500.34 HP), first registration: 03/2019, fuel type: diesel, tire size: 385/65R22,5, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 4,500 mm, fuel: diesel, brakes: retarder, color: white, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, number of gears: 12, emission class: euro6, suspension: air, total length: 6,960 mm, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,900 mm, Equipment: ABS, Bluetooth, air conditioning, central locking, cruise control, electric window regulation, navigation system, parking air conditioner, parking heater, power mirror, retarder, seat heater, tachograph, traction control, - Heated mirrors - Carplay - Digital tachograph - Fixed - Highline - Hydraulic system - LED lamp - Manual - Auxiliary drive - Pump - Radio/cassette - Lane keeping assist - Fabric - Auxiliary braking system Number of axles: 3, Configuration: 6x4, Payload: 16483 kg, Tare weight: 10017 kg, Gross vehicle weight: 26500 kg, Total tank capacity: 610 liters, Towing capacity, unbraked: 750 kg, Saddle coupling height: 126 cm, Saddle coupling: Fixed, Number of locks: 2, Suspension type: Full air, Cabin type: Highline, Cruise control, Tachograph (control unit), Digital tachograph, Air conditioning, Stationary air conditioning, Auxiliary heater, Electric windows, Electric mirrors, Radio/cassette, Carplay, GPS navigation, Color: White, Heated mirrors, Lighting type: LED lamp, Lane keeping assist, Air conditioning, Seat heating, Bluetooth, Flashing lights, Engine power: 368 kW (493 Hp), Number of cylinders: 6, Engine displacement: 12742 cc, Fuel: Diesel, Euro: 6, Transmission type: Opti-cruise, Transmission type: Scania, Gears: 12, Auxiliary braking system, Retarder brand: Scania, Power steering, ABS, ASR, Hydraulic system, Auxiliary drive, PTO type: 1, Starter battery, Pump, Central locking, Number of seats: 2, Seat arrangement: 1+1, Seat covering: Fabric, Seat adjustment: Manual, NB FULL AIR / 6X4 / RETARDER / PTO + HYDRAULICS FOR TIPPER Transmission Transmission: SCA, 12 gears, Automatic Axle configuration Brakes: Disc brakes Suspension: Air suspension Axle 1: Tire size: 385/65R22.5; Steerable; Tire tread depth left: 10 mm; Tire tread depth right: 10 mm Axle 2: Tire size: 315/80R22.5; Double tires; Tire tread depth left inner: 7 mm; Tire tread depth left outer: 9 mm; Tire tread depth right inner: 6 mm; Tire tread depth right outer: 9 mm Axle 3: Tire size: 315/80R22.5; Double tires; Tire tread depth left inner: 6 mm; Tire tread depth left outer: 7 mm; Tire tread depth right inner: 4 mm; Tire tread depth right outer: 7 mm Weights Tare weight: 10,017 kg Payload: 16,483 kg GVW: 26,500 kg Functional Pump: Yes Interior Number of seats: 2 Condition Technical condition: good Optical condition: good Damage: none Number of keys: 2 Financial information Leasing price: €972 per month (default, 60 months); Ask for more information and conditions Identification Gkjds Af Ic Sspfx Abhsd License plate: BD-797-R Kleyn Trucks is one of the world's largest independent used vehicle dealers. Here you can choose from a constantly changing stock of 1200 used trucks, tractor units, and trailers. Our range includes all European brands from various years of manufacture and price ranges. Why buy from Kleyn Trucks? Simple! • Large, rapidly changing stock • Recognizable quality • A good price • Correct business practices • We speak many languages • We understand our customers • Assistance with import and transport • (Export) registration is quickly arranged • Expert technical services • The security of "recognizable quality" • And more.... Please visit our website for special offers and a complete inventory: Leasing through Kleyn Trucks is possible in most...